Hidden: A True Crime Podcast
Beyond The Veil: Is Julie Rowe a Cult Leader or a Spiritual Healer?

Beyond The Veil: Is Julie Rowe a Cult Leader or a Spiritual Healer?

October 6, 2021

In a first of its kind interview, we talk to a wife and husband who say they were groomed by Julie Rowe. Lauren Matthias interviews "Girl on Fire" who takes us deep into the belief system followed by Julie Rowe & Chad Daybell. 

We end the episode with statements from both Eric Smith and Joel Gurvine. 

Beyond The Veil:  Interview with Cult Expert Dr. Christine

Beyond The Veil: Interview with Cult Expert Dr. Christine

June 27, 2021

BONUS EPISODE of Beyond the Veil: Lauren interviews survivor, activist, and cult expert Dr. Christine. Dr. Christine is the founder of Voices for Dignity, a non-profit in Hildale, Utah that helps survivors of trafficking, coercive control, and oppression. Dr. Christine and Lauren will explore some of the founding beliefs of Mormonism to provide a picture of how off-shoot cults among believing members of the LDS church can transpire and evolve. Dr. Christine also shares her courageous personal story of survival, trafficking, and transformation. Join us tonight for a unique dinner conversation about LDS cults with a cult expert who shares her very personal and instructive story relevant to the Daybell case.  

Beyond the Veil: When Lori Met Chad and the Dream of Immortal Love Part II

Beyond the Veil: When Lori Met Chad and the Dream of Immortal Love Part II

March 26, 2021

Tonight, we continue our dinner conversation about the power of love in human behavior, beliefs, and, quite possibly, as a primary motivation for murder. Join us as we continue to untangle Lori’s quest for ideal love and its repercussions for her extreme behaviors.

Beyond the Veil: When Lori Met Chad and the Dream of Immortal Love Part I

Beyond the Veil: When Lori Met Chad and the Dream of Immortal Love Part I

February 20, 2021

Join us for an in-depth dinner conversation about belief formation and the desire for ideal love. We dig as deep as we can into Lori Vallow Daybell’s psyche and start to put all of the pieces together to develop a comprehensive psychological portrait of how and why these murders 
occurred. Tonight, we explore Lori’s role in these tragic events through an examination of Lori’s yearning for other-worldly love as a panacea for all her worldly pain and suffering.

Beyond the Veil: When Chad Met Lori and the Dream of Immortality

Beyond the Veil: When Chad Met Lori and the Dream of Immortality

November 19, 2020

Join us for an in-depth dinner conversation about death anxiety, terror management theory and Chad’s desire to achieve immortality. We dig as deep as we can into Chad Daybell’s psyche and start to put all of the pieces together to develop a comprehensive psychological portrait of how and why these murders occurred. When Chad met Lori a seemingly inescapable cascade of events and psychological elements began to unfold that ended in multiple murders. Join us to discover why.

Beyond the Veil: Revisiting Chad and a Tribute to Tammy Daybell

Beyond the Veil: Revisiting Chad and a Tribute to Tammy Daybell

October 26, 2020

Tonight, we revisit Chad’s role in the murders through a close examination of his family upbringing, books and career choices based upon new information since our first episodes. We lay the foundation for the combustible moment when Chad and Lori meet and nothing can deter them from their murderous mission. Lauren concludes dinner with a personal tribute to Tammy Daybell. 

Beyond the Veil: The Fearlessness and Filicide of Lori Vallow Daybell

Beyond the Veil: The Fearlessness and Filicide of Lori Vallow Daybell

October 7, 2020

We get closer to answering the big questions at dinner tonight- Why do human beings murder? Why did Lori really kill her children? We examine the research on filicide and psychopathy to provide some insight into these thorny questions in addition to bringing in a famous child murderer from the past, Diane Downs, to assist in our analysis. Before finishing dinner, we explore the roles of courage and fearlessness in homicide. What does fearlessness have to do with murder? And what does real courage look like and how can we attain it?

Beyond the Veil: The Many Extremes of Lori Vallow Daybell Part II

Beyond the Veil: The Many Extremes of Lori Vallow Daybell Part II

September 23, 2020

In this second half of dinner we explore the relationship between borderline personality disorder and violence potential. We also make the connection between Lori’s extremism and research on terrorists and terrorism. Is Lori a terrorist? Is Chad a terrorist? What makes a terrorist? We conclude our lengthy two-week dinner with a tribute to the many victims of crime and the emotional impact of delving deeply into crime.

Beyond the Veil: The Many Extremes of Lori Vallow Daybell Part I

Beyond the Veil: The Many Extremes of Lori Vallow Daybell Part I

September 9, 2020

We pick up where we left off in the last episode with the impact of Lori’s family upbringing upon her personality dynamics and life decisions, exploring Lori’s propensity for the extremes in emotions, behaviors and beliefs. We ask: Does Lori have a personality disorder? Was she sexually abused? Is she a borderline personality disorder? Have her past traumas and family wounds contributed to her decision to murder her children? Join us for dinner tonight to find out.

Beyond the Veil: The Making of Lori Vallow Daybell

Beyond the Veil: The Making of Lori Vallow Daybell

August 30, 2020

In this episode we begin to disentangle the twisted web that is Lori Vallow Daybell through a close examination of her family upbringing and dynamics. We explore the Cox family system (Lori’s family of origin) through the story of Narcissus and explain how this classic mythological tale still holds sway today.

Beyond the Veil: Midnight Musings on Chad Daybell’s Preliminary Hearing

Beyond the Veil: Midnight Musings on Chad Daybell’s Preliminary Hearing

August 19, 2020

In a late-night dinner, we explore some of the implications and repercussions from Chad Daybell’s preliminary hearing. We also discuss serial killer signatures and typologies as they relate to this case.

Beyond the Veil: Oprah and Portals and Daybell- Oh My!

Beyond the Veil: Oprah and Portals and Daybell- Oh My!

July 30, 2020

Before we move on to explore Lori Vallow’s role in these murders, we examine Chad Daybell’s peculiar obsession with portals and his and Lori’s disdain for Oprah Winfrey- and what these two quirky beliefs mean for this case and, more generally, for understanding the criminal mind and the human condition.

Beyond the Veil: Inside Chad Daybell’s Murderous Mind

Beyond the Veil: Inside Chad Daybell’s Murderous Mind

July 22, 2020

We begin to piece together the disparate elements of Chad Daybell’s life and the underlying motivations for the murderous schemes he devised along with Lori, examining how and why his upbringing, avoidance of his mortality and the quest for significance all led to his eventual crimes.

Beyond the Veil: The Closing of the Daybellian Mind

Beyond the Veil: The Closing of the Daybellian Mind

July 15, 2020

This week we conclude our exploration of the three major psychological elements that led to Chad Daybell’s crimes through an examination of closed-mindedness and uncritical acceptance of paranormal phenomenon- both of which played a significant role in forming his cult and failing to curtail his murderous path.

Beyond The Veil: Chad Daybell’s Big Disconnect

Beyond The Veil: Chad Daybell’s Big Disconnect

July 9, 2020

In this second episode we dig deeper into Chad Daybell's psyche, examining his struggles to develop close relationships and how this social and emotional detachment increased his risks for future criminal behavior. 

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